资讯源头：FIGU/ ‘Billy’ Eduard Albert Meier
资讯主题：FIGU论坛问答 之 “Marcel Vogel”
资讯来源：｢FIGU Forum｣
http://forum.figu.org/..（资讯链接随问题注释）
内容中译：Leonkidz
校译日期：2019年07月02日，周二
推送类型：中文域-[中译]
资讯备注：这是一篇非正式且未经授权的中译版资讯，内容基于英文源版译制，请注意我们的译文可能存在错误。
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资讯注释：FIGU论坛上的回复不一定都是Billy本人做出的，也有可能是经由「Semjase Silver Star Center/Semjase银星中心」的核心小组成员转达Billy的意思；又或依据Billy的教导和解释做出的说明。
- 发布时间：2001年11月25日，周日，19:42
- 发布链接：｢FIGU Forum｣
- http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/2685.html
Question:
论坛上的提问：
Hello Billy,
Billy，您好，
Was the late Marcel Vogel a ‘telepathic’ contactee?
已故的「Marcel Vogel」是一位‘「Telepathic/心灵感应」’接触者吗？
Sincerely,
亲切的问候，
Linda
Linda
Answer:
来自FIGU的回复：
No.
不是。
- 发布时间：2009年06月30日，周二，01:36
- 发布链接：｢FIGU Forum｣
- http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/10203.html
- 提问链接：｢FIGU Forum｣
- http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/10203.html
- (Note: on the same page.)
Question:
论坛上的提问：
Dear Billy,
亲爱的Billy，
Many thanks for continuing to take the time to answer questions from us all.
非常感谢您继续抽时间回答我们所有人的问题。
During your contacts, did the plejaran explain to you fully the outcome of the publics reaction to your experiences and were you required to release information in a way that guaranteed this outcome.
在您「Contacts/接触」期间，Plejaren是否有向您充分解释过…公众对于您所经历的这些事情的反应…的‘outcome/结果/效果’会怎样（？），以及…您是否有被要求…以一种确保该’outcome/结果/效果‘（会发生）的方式…发布这些信息呢（？）。
What I mean is, did the plejaran know that your contact evidence ( photo’s , metal samples etc) would be tampered with and was this part of their plan to provide plausible deniability?
我的意思是，Plejaren是否知道…您的‘contact evidence/接触证据’（照片、‘metal samples/金属样本’等）会被篡改，以及，这是否是他们…提供合理否认性…的计划的一部分呢？
While I’m asking, were the Plejaran responsible for removing the metal sample from Marcel Vogel for example, to prevent further definative proof?
我是在问，举例来说，是不是Plejaren从「Marcel Vogel」那里取走了‘metal sample/金属样本’，以阻止（后者获得）更进一步的确凿证据呢？
Thank you
谢谢您
Tony
Tony
Answer:
来自FIGU的回复：
Billy was informed in advance that his life would be very hard and that he would have to face several problems.
Billy提前得到通知：他的生活会非常艰难，而且…他将不得不面对一些麻烦。
For example he knew prior to getting to know his now ex-wife Kalliope that he would marry her and that the marriage would not be a pleasant one.
例如，在结识他现在的前妻Kalliope之前，他就已经知道…他会娶她，并且这段婚姻将不会幸福。
Billy did not know details about his marriage (wife’s behaviour), nor that everything would turn out to be even worse.
Billy（之前）并不知道他婚姻的细节（妻子的行为），也不知道一切会变得越来越糟。
The Plejaren wanted to deliver enough evidence so open-minded persons would be able to realize the authenticity of the contacts with extraterrestrial human beings and the reality of their flying devices, etc.
Plejaren想要传递足够的证据，从而使那些‘open-minded persons/明智之人’能够认识到…与‘extraterrestrial human beings/外星人类生命’接触的‘authenticity/真实性’，及其‘flying devices/飞行装备’等的‘reality/现实性’。
- 发布时间：2013年10月27日，周日，20:32
- 发布链接：｢FIGU Forum｣
- http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/12930.html
- 提问链接：｢FIGU Forum｣
- http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/12919.html
Question:
论坛上的提问：
Dear Billy,
亲爱的Billy，
Did Plejaren read & comment on the reports of the ‘analysis of metal samples’ done by EMPA(Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology), Metallurgist Walter Walker & by Chemist Marcel Vogel?
Plejaren有阅读并评论过…{由「EMPA」（「Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology/瑞士联邦材料科学与技术实验室」）、冶金学家「Walter Walker」，连同化学家「Marcel Vogel」完成的}…‘「Analysis of Metal Samples/金属样本分析」’报告吗？
Mahigitam
Mahigitam
Answer:
来自FIGU的回复：
Billy doesn‘t know whether or not they read the reports.
Billy不清楚他们是否有读过该报告。
Probably yes.
可能读过。
And what can be added is that, contrary to the Swiss EMPA laboratories, Marcel Vogel – as a very knowledegeable expert in his field – did a good job, over 30 years ago!
但可以补充的是：相较于‘Swiss EMPA laboratories/瑞士EMPA实验室’，「Marcel Vogel」，作为一名在其领域内非常知名的专家，在30年前做的非常好！
Question：
论坛上的提问：
If yes then what did Plejaren say ?
如果读过的话，那Plejaren有说过什么吗？
Did the Plejaren accept all of their findings, especially Marcel Vogel’s ?
Plejaren是否接受他们所有的发现呢（？），尤其是「Marcel Vogel」的？
I am asking because it is only Marcel Vogel who made extraordinary claims on the origin of metal samples but the rest didn’t.
我这么问是因为只有「Marcel Vogel」对‘metal samples/金属样本’的来源…提出了非同寻常的主张，但其他人没有。
And besides that in the year 2011, a person in the USA named Ivan Alvarado who has a PhD in Engineering has analysed the claims of the Vogel and concluded the following which has put doubt on Vogel’s earlier assertions:
除此之外，在2011年，美国有一位名叫Ivan Alvarado的人，这个人拥有「PhD in Engineering/工程学博士学位」，他对「Marcel Vogel」的主张进行了分析，并得出以下结论，这些结论对「Marcel Vogel」早期的断言提出了质疑：
—— Ivan Alvarado，2011年：
‘In a nutshell, the notable claims of this sample are that it contains a wide range of elements, the hard-to-obtain element Thulium, and metal crystals exhibiting birefringence. All of these claims are in themselves not remarkable or notable. Thulium, though rare, was available in the 80s and there is no reason that a metal in crystal form would not exhibit some degree of birefringence. A sample can be made to contain many elements of the periodic table without using ‘cold fusion’, as Vogel suggests. Thus, even in the case that all of the claims about Meier’s samples are correct, it still is not clear why these would make them remarkable. However, it would be interesting if the elements shown were all chemically bonded, but Vogel presents no evidence and performs no test that would lead to establish chemical bonding or alloying between them.’
简言之，该样本的显著特点是，它含有广泛的元素，甚至是极难获得的元素「Thulium/铥」，以及显现出「Birefringence/双（光）折射」的‘metal crystals/金属晶体’。所有这些特点…就其本身来说，并引人注目或是显著。「Thulium/铥」，尽管很稀有，但在（上世纪）八十年代是可以搞到的，与此同时，也没有理由认为：‘a metal in crystal form/晶体态的金属’不会显现出出某种程度的「Birefringence/双（光）折射」。正如Vogel所暗示的那样，这种样本…是可以在不使用「Cold Fusion/冷核聚变」（工艺）的情况下…使其含有「Periodic Table/周期表」上的许多种元素的。因此，即便关于Meier样本的所有主张都是正确的，我仍搞不懂…为什么这些主张会使这些样本显得如此引人注目。然而，如果这些显示的元素都是（通过）‘chemically bonded/化学键合’的话，那将十分有趣，但「Marcel Vogel」并没有提供任何证据，也没有进行任何…{可能导致它们（这些元素）之间建立起‘chemical bonding/化学键合’又或是‘alloying/合金化’}…的测试。
- http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/Metal-Samples-Deconstruction-Update.html
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnweAd7Z-3g
Ivan Alvarado obtained his PhD in Electrical Engineering from UCLA.
Ivan Alvarado在「UCLA/加州大学洛杉矶分校」获得了「PhD in Electrical Engineering/电气工程学博士学位」。
For over 10 years he has collaborated in multiple research programs in both academy and industry, all of them in the area of nano-scale fabrication for electronics and photonics.
十多年来，他在「Academy/学术界」和「Industry/工业界」合作开展了多个研究项目，所有这些项目都涉及…应用于「Electronics/电子材料」和「Photonics/光子材料」…的纳米级制造领域。
His areas of expertise are Electron Beam Lithography, Scanning Electron Microscopy, EDS Microanalysis, and Atomic Force Microscopy.
他的专业领域是「Electron Beam Lithography/电子束光刻」、「Scanning Electron Microscopy/扫描电子显微镜」、「EDS Microanalysis/EDS微量分析」和「Atomic Force Microscopy/原子力显微镜」。
He is a currently an active member of the Independent Investigations Group in Hollywood, California.
他目前是「California/加利福尼亚」-「Hollywood/好莱坞」-「Independent Investigations Group/独立调查小组」的活跃成员。
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